www.microsoft.com/presspass...ve10PR.asp
MSN: The MSN network of Internet services today introduced updates to its free communication services to make e-mail, instant messaging and online sharing easier and more personal for consumers. [cut] MSN Spaces enable consumers to easily display their pictures via a photo album slide show.
www.kbcafe.com/rss/
Looks like a small step up from Blogger and Typepad.
Congrats to Dare Obasanjo and team.
Dave Winer is blogging up a storm on the new MSN Spaces blogging service.
MSN Spaces' RSS is extremely clean, which I would expect to be the case w/ Dare involved.
MSN Spaces' usability is horrible. I have to signout and back in when I want to edit the blog.
All the themes are hard on the eyes.
Overall Review: This is a stepping stone compared to Wallop. I wonder how MSN Spaces and Wallop will work together.
MSN: The MSN network of Internet services today introduced updates to its free communication services to make e-mail, instant messaging and online sharing easier and more personal for consumers. [cut] MSN Spaces enable consumers to easily display their pictures via a photo album slide show.
www.kbcafe.com/rss/
Looks like a small step up from Blogger and Typepad.
Congrats to Dare Obasanjo and team.
Dave Winer is blogging up a storm on the new MSN Spaces blogging service.
MSN Spaces' RSS is extremely clean, which I would expect to be the case w/ Dare involved.
MSN Spaces' usability is horrible. I have to signout and back in when I want to edit the blog.
All the themes are hard on the eyes.
Overall Review: This is a stepping stone compared to Wallop. I wonder how MSN Spaces and Wallop will work together.
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Re: MSN Spaces Debuts
Sat, December 11, 2004 - 7:20 AMHey Randy, thanks to the review.
What makes you say MSN is a step up from Blogger (especially now that we've had a few days more to look at it) . . . the photo capabilities, etc.?
And what about open source solutions? I'm not always a die-hard OS guy (in music, for instance, the commercial stuff is way ahead), but the ability to modify the server software seems key. Yes, it's made life difficult in terms of so many different server apps to choose from. But I think the next generation (12-18 months) could be really strong. Certainly, for power users, the server end is going to be what people want.
It also seems like we're merging 'CMS/portal' features with 'blogging' features (I use quotes because ALL these things are just dynamic content systems) -
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Re: MSN Spaces Debuts
Sat, December 11, 2004 - 3:20 PMWell, let me stress that I said small step up. But it is a small step. It has the following advantages...
-Better WYSIWYG.
-Better Photo support.
-Uses RSS, a stable syndication protocol, instead of Atom a protocol whose spec specifically says "DO NOT IMPLEMENT", because it's not stable.
As for open source, I don't see how being able to modify the server software matters. You have to remember that 99.9% of the world don't know how to change the desktop background picture, never mind modifying software. -
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Re: MSN Spaces Debuts
Mon, December 13, 2004 - 6:29 AMGood comments, thanks.
The beauty of open source for me is I don't necessarily have to do the modifying. Someone else may have needed the same thing. But, of course, we do need an out-of-box solution, so I'm not suggesting there isn't a big place for these things. And I'll admit a lot of the PHP tweaking I've done with Mambo has been something the package should have done by default in the first place.
I'll argue with the 99.9% figure on desktop pictures, though. I notice Mac users tend to have a surprisingly high level of savvy because I think they're not afraid to mess with things, whereas Windows can punish you for tweaking some settings. (I use both, some I'm not starting a platform war here, I just think users sometimes like more control than they're given credit for -- and that could apply to some basic blog format customizations, etc., though probably not PHP scripts!)
Speaking of technical ignorance, though, I know Atom wasn't originally intended for its current use, but what do you mean when you say 'unstable'? (out of my specialization here so I'm really curious to know)
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Re: MSN Spaces Debuts
Mon, December 13, 2004 - 12:34 PMYes, I was exaggerating when I said 99.9% couldn't figure how to change the desktop picture. My only point was that open source is great for geeks like me and you, but does nothing for my mom.
Atom was originally intended as a replacement for RSS. In the meanwhile, it has grown to include an API model. As for it's instability. More than 90% of Atom feeds are invalid. Even the inventor of Atom has an invalid Atom feed.
www.kbcafe.com/rss/rsv.aspx
But, even worse is that Atom has radically changed even from version 0.3, the deployed version and there isn't any current Atom feeds that I know of that actually follows the current spec.
www.ietf.org/internet-dr...ormat-03.txt
And if you read the current spec, the version number is"draft-ietf-atompub-format-03: do not deploy". This is because the authors understand that the spec is unstable and not ready to be deployed. -
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Re: MSN Spaces Debuts
Wed, December 15, 2004 - 4:52 PMYou're right, I won't EVER argue OS is non-geek-compliant, except in some isolated cases . . . certainly not blogging software you install yourself (depending on who your mom is, I guess)
Thanks for the info on Atom. I honestly can't tell the difference between Atom and RSS 2.0 feeds I'm subscribed to, but that makes the problems much clearer. -
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Re: MSN Spaces Debuts
Wed, December 22, 2004 - 8:41 AMu seem 2 b n a bad mood 2day
relax, it's xmas -
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Re: MSN Spaces Debuts
Wed, December 22, 2004 - 11:18 AMI have a deep loathing for anything MicroSloff... -
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Re: MSN Spaces Debuts
Wed, December 22, 2004 - 12:50 PMI'm always amazed at this attitude. I have many friends who've expressed similar. They continue to send me Word documents and Power Point presentations. I laugh.
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